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Do You Know Where Casinos Really Create Jobs?

September 9, 2009 at 8:58 am Matt Leave a comment Go to comments

At least we know they are keeping tv/radio ad producers fully employed.

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  • joshlang58
    Issue three's campaign is based on us trusting that they will do what they promise, but how can we do this if they aren't being honest with us. If they could actually provide truthful facts then we would have no need for the ads to tell people the truth about what issue three is really about.
  • jets619
    Truth is, if the people behind Issue 3 were honest and truthful, there would be no need for ads publicizing the real truth about Issue 3. But unfortunately they continue make up facts.
  • Bob Loblow
    All that we know from seeing these ads, that try to make sure we know the "truth" about Issue 3 is that the people behind Issue 3 are playing loose and fast with the facts, and not being honest with us!
  • zal8923
    I want to believe in issue three but it's increasingly difficult when the facts that they're saying are false. If Issue 3 would just be honest and stop dancing around the truth there wouldn't be all these ads about what issue 3 really intends to do
  • justinmichaels
    What happened to honest business in this country? It is dishonesty that has caused so much trouble in our economy. Issue 3 is another corrupt/dishonest business opportunity for the money hungry casino industry. Why else would this group need to advertise and promote the truth? If they were just honest the truth would be obvious and would not need to be sold to us.
  • clevgamer
    If the people behind this campaign were being honest truthpac wouldnt have to be the one telling the truth.
  • jordanbeasley
    Did the same person post all 6 of the older comments under different names? Opponents of Issue 3 are spending millions to try to protect their out-of-state gambling franchises, and that's why proponents of Issue 3 need to run ads setting the record state. To all of the commenters opposed to Issue 3, give me a break, let's vote for Ohio jobs and letting Ohioans spend their money in the state for once. Let's vote Yes on Issue 3 and ignore the noise.
  • Daniel Jack Williamson
    Ahem, Jordan Beasley, it's an out-of-state gambling franchise, Penn National Gaming Inc., that's sponsoring Issue 3, so all profits from the proposed casinos will STILL flow OUT-OF-STATE as they CURRENTLY DO!

  • artie
    Hey, that's a sleazy thing to say...you have no proof, you're just upset that people don't like Issue 3 and you are engaging in weasel words to be mean. What happened to civility? Stick to the issues and stop attacking people just because they don't like the idea of the Government using its power to create a big monopoly just for one company. Free enterprise is what built this country, socialism and statism is dead.
  • Daniel Jack Williamson
    Let's not forget that whatever these gambling tycoons spend on advertising all came from somebody else's pockets. It's so easy to spend wealth that came from someone else.

    The wealth that these tycoons have self-servingly redistributed from gamblers to themselves has also been spent (and will continue to be spent) on buying politicians. When it comes to shady influences that corrupt politicians and subvert the will of the people, Frank Gruttadauria and Tom Noe are small potatoes compared to the gambling racket.
  • jordanbeasley
    Jack, right now, those outfits don't employ Ohioans, they employ people from Michigan, Indiana, and West Virginia. At least if the money being spent out of state was spent here, part of it could be spent employing people from Ohio!
  • Daniel Jack Williamson
    I'm also worried about the money plundered from the people of Ohio by these out-of-state robber barons. The money that they plunder from Ohioans will be greatly multiplied when the casinos are located in Ohio. The money used for employment will be a teensy weensy fraction of what's plundered. Overall, we're talking about a net loss for Ohio. The economies of our neighboring states are hardly rose gardens simply because they have casinos. In fact, the state with the most widespread legalized gambling, Nevada, leads the nation in home foreclosures and has had an unemployment rate in recent months that has been worse than Ohio's. The lion's share of casino money, the profits, will still be headed out of state.

    You probably didn't read the post I linked to in my first comment. There's a better explanation there.

    Also, on the casino lies about jobs and the economy, I recommend this post (though I doubt you'll read that, either):

  • I am rather indifferent to the gambling issue. The claims of "job creation" and what not are really outlandish. But what I never liked about your anti-casino arguments is that you sound like a statist, instead of a defender of economic activity.
  • Daniel Jack Williamson
    Should we protect piracy because it's economic activity?


    I'm merely advocating for the rule of law to prevent scams, fraud, theft-by-deception, and piracy. I also advocate for accountability and transparency, two elements totally lacking in the gambling industry. If that makes me a statist, I guess I'll scratch my head pondering the meaning of the word "statist."
  • Daniel Jack Williamson
    Furthermore, if you are alarmed by statists, aren't you at all concerned that the scores of statist elected politicians are funded and kept in power thanks to the copious campaign contributions of the gambling industry? Aren't the casinos culpable in advancing statism?

    Furthermore, isn't it obvious that the casino industry, itself, requires government intervention in order to preserve its cartel from competition? Read these emails, and see for yourself that there's a symbiotic relationship between the gambling industry and politicians that act as gatekeepers:


    I connect the dots even further in response to a message from Justin Higgins:


    Interfering with economic activity is what this casino cartel expects from politicians in order to remain viable. The casino tycoons have you fooled, Matt. They're the real statists.
  • Wow you are quick to replying to your own comments before I even get a chance to! I would prefer a totally open system where any one could come into Ohio and start a casino. But Issue 3, for all if its faults, is certainly better than the MTR-Redfern VLT monopoly.
  • Daniel Jack Williamson
    Agreed, the lottery is an abomination, as is the VLT proposal, but that doesn't mean that Issue 3 passes muster.

    There will be no open system where anybody could start a casino in Ohio. It will never happen. It doesn't happen in states outside of Nevada, either. Every proposal will always, ALWAYS, be one which seeks protection from competition. Since no proposal has ever been advanced that allows anyone and everyone to open and operate a casino (which would truly allow individual liberty), I've remained adamantly opposed to amending the Ohio Constitution to give special rights to "special" people.
  • OK That is nonsense. Your use of words like "fraud" and "scam" is over the top. It provides a service that customers enjoy. They are accountable to shareholders.

    I agree with Steven Malanga that it is TERRIBLE fiscal policy to expand gambling:

    But what separates me from your argument is, I will always favor economic freedom over the interests of a state.

    If you put 1/2 of this effort that you now use to pound out pages of attitudinal fluff about gambling in general, and instead focused on MTR (The Redfern association, the political contributions, the lack of a competitive bidding process) then you would really have done something incredible that the MSM hasn't done.

    Instead, you bury your self knee deep in refuting exaggerated campaign rhetoric, which casino interests fling back and forth at each other, because they are forced to ask voters to approve of their business.
  • Daniel Jack Williamson
    Oh, and "fraud" and "scam?" Those aren't over-the-top exaggerations. That's just removing the euphemisms and telling it like it is.

    Accountability to shareholders? Really? Is that what you make of the casino bankruptcies? Crooks will be crooks. The remedies are law, order, accountability, transparency, and, so far, the gambling tycoons have circumvented each of these principles.
  • So every business which wishes to open up shop in Ohio should be dragged before the Daniel Jack Williamson court of proper business practices?

    You write fluff and rarely make concise arguments. Stop it.
  • Daniel Jack Williamson
    You're right that my arguments aren't often concise. That's just the nature of ADHD. If what I write is fluff, at least it's not ambiguous about what is right and what is wrong.

    Ohio should be open for business, but fraud, scams, and piracy should have no quarter.
  • Daniel Jack Williamson
    This post isn't concise either, but I don't think it's fluff:

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